Re: [rtcweb] Finishing up the Video Codec document, MTI (again, still, sorry)

"Timothy B. Terriberry" <tterriberry@mozilla.com> Thu, 04 December 2014 00:22 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Finishing up the Video Codec document, MTI (again, still, sorry)
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Gaelle Martin-Cocher wrote:
> a) How can the group composed by a vast majority of non-browser vendors force a decision on browser vendors against their statements?
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> b)I don't think there was enough discussion on "non-browser" entities. I believe the two topics (browser/non-browser) should have been separated. There was quite a few objections on a non-browser having to implement both codecs, at the meeting and on the list prior to the meeting.

Let me see if I can follow the logic here. There was a "vast majority of 
non-browser vendors" making this decision, but the overwhelming 
consensus achieved in the hum in Honolulu does not demonstrate that 
objections from non-browser vendors are "in the rough".