Re: [rtcweb] Friday Agenda: Re: Friday Call details for signaling discussion
Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Thu, 20 October 2011 11:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Friday Agenda: Re: Friday Call details for signaling discussion
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On 10/20/11 12:45, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: > 2011/10/20 Magnus Westerlund<magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>: >> The proposed agenda for Firday is as follows: >> >> 10 min introduction from each signaling proposal: >> - draft-jennings-rtcweb-signaling-00 (ROAP) Cullen >> - draft-partha-rtcweb-signaling-00 (Standard signaling protocol) Partha >> - ? (No Protocol) ? >> >> In the above only clarifying questions may occur. >> >> 20 min discussion of each proposal >> >> 30 min concluding discussion >> >> From my perspective both draft-beck-rtcweb-alt-ic-00 and >> draft-ibc-rtcweb-sip-websocket-00 are relevant documents to the >> discussion as they provides useful proposals on how interconnect and SIP >> interop respectively can be done. But as they aren't proposals for how >> the actual signaling solution should work. Thus these are homework but >> don't get presentation time. > Hi Magnus. Honestly I don't consider that discussing about > draft-ibc-rtcweb-sip-websocket-00 should take place. It's just a > suggestion about a signaling protocol in RTCweb (in this case pure SIP > over WebSocket). It's not my aim that the WG considers such spec as a > standard signaling for RTCweb. Well, this is basically the same you > have said :) > > In the other said, I'd really would like that, before the meeting, all > the folks could take some time to read: > > http://public.aliax.net/RTCweb_Signaling_Components.html > and > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/current/msg02158.html > > This means not wasting time if somebody proposes ROAP as a "default > signaling protocol" because ROAP is not that and cannot do that (more > info in the given links). Also, given the general confusion when the > term "signaling" appears in this WG, I've tryied to clarify its > meaning(s) in RTCweb context (first link). > > For those who advocate for a "default signaling protocol", I hope > second link should make them to re-think about what such erroneous > decision would entail in current and *existing* WWW world. While I may quibble with Inaki about the terminology he proposes, I think I support what he's driving at in the "components" Web page. In the -overview-02 draft section 7, the term "media negotiations" is used for what he calls "media signalling"; it is trying to get at the same distinction. In his category of "info signalling", I would quibble a bit in that I see "channel-related signalling" (a term I just invented, describing which media is sent on which SSRC on which port) as distinct from "identity-related signalling", where the whole question of "who am I talking to" is relevant. I believe "channel-related signalling" needs to be treated together with "media signalling".
- Re: [rtcweb] Friday Call details for signaling di… Harald Alvestrand
- [rtcweb] Friday Call details for signaling discus… Ted Hardie
- [rtcweb] Friday Agenda: Re: Friday Call details f… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] Friday Agenda: Re: Friday Call detai… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Friday Agenda: Re: Friday Call detai… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Friday Agenda: Re: Friday Call detai… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Friday Agenda: Re: Friday Call detai… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Friday Agenda: Re: Friday Call detai… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Friday Agenda: Re: Friday Call detai… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] Friday Agenda: Re: Friday Call detai… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] Friday Agenda: Re: Friday Call detai… Wolfgang Beck
- Re: [rtcweb] Friday Agenda: Re: Friday Call detai… Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Friday Agenda: Re: Friday Call detai… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Friday Agenda: Re: Friday Call detai… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Friday Agenda: Re: Friday Call detai… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Friday Agenda: Re: Friday Call detai… Christer Holmberg