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Re: [rtcweb] Requiring ICE for RTC calls

"Olle E. Johansson" <oej@edvina.net> Tue, 27 September 2011 20:01 UTC

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To: Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>
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27 sep 2011 kl. 18:08 skrev Roman Shpount:

> What I meant that by supporting SIP/G.711 we get an a existing, cost effective way to access 5 billion wireless subscribers, as well as 500M Skype subscribers, millions of corporate customers. Calling using SIP/G.711 through a SIP trunk provider is not only about wireline PSTN, it is about a much larger universe of people.

Well, when SIP was developed you could have argued that there are millions of users that can only be reached by using ISDN - so why disregard this user base and invent something that did not interop properly?

Sometimes we need to move forward. After many years of insecure calls having issues with traversing NATs everywhere, I think enough is enough and it's time to provide a better solution.

/O

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