Re: [rtcweb] Review comments on draft-ietf-rtcweb-fec-04

Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> Sun, 23 April 2017 18:48 UTC

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From: Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 11:48:01 -0700
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To: Roni Even <roni.even@huawei.com>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Review comments on draft-ietf-rtcweb-fec-04
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On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Roni Even <roni.even@huawei.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> Inline
> Roni Even
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rtcweb [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sergio Garcia
> > Murillo
> > Sent: יום ו 21 אפריל 2017 12:30
> > To: rtcweb@ietf.org; Justin Uberti
> > Subject: [rtcweb] Review comments on draft-ietf-rtcweb-fec-04
> >
> > Hi all, Justin,
> >
> > I have been reviewing current FEC draft and I have a couple of comments:
> >
> > 1. Usage of RED and in band FEC and header extensions in Sections 3.2,
> > 3.3 and 4
> >
> > I think it would be worth noting that neither red/audio nor in-band fec
> allows
> > to recover RTP header extensions from previous packets. The impact of
> > loosing the header extensions will be dependent of its meaning as, for
> > example, this would cause minor problems to SFUs as client to mixer audio
> > level info of previous packets will be lost, but could make it unusable
> for
> > PERC (as it is currently defined) as it requires the OHB header
> extension.
>
>
> [Roni Even] This is not a FEC problem but general RTP header extensions
> reliability discussed in RFC5285 and RC5285-bis draft and in the specific
> RTP header extension.
>

Roni, what would you suggest we say in this document?


> >
> > 2. Adaptive use of FEC for bandwidth probing (section 8)
> >
> > I think it would be a good addition to recommend FEC usage for bandwidth
> > proving instead of other alternatives like RTX or padding only packets.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Sergio
> >
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