Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-jesup-rtcweb-data-01.txt
Michael Tüxen <Michael.Tuexen@lurchi.franken.de> Fri, 11 November 2011 18:17 UTC
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From: Michael Tüxen <Michael.Tuexen@lurchi.franken.de>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-jesup-rtcweb-data-01.txt
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On Nov 11, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Michael Tüxen > <Michael.Tuexen@lurchi.franken.de> wrote: >> On Nov 11, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Michael Tüxen >>> <Michael.Tuexen@lurchi.franken.de> wrote: >>>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Michael Tuexen >>>>> <Michael.Tuexen@lurchi.franken.de> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Michael, >>>>>>> o DTLS and SCTP handshakes must be performed serially (no matter which order they happen in), which increases the number of round-trips necessary to establish communication. >>>>>> That is correct. SCTP adds one RTT to whatever DTLS is requiring. >>>>>> So when using SCTP/DTLS/UDP, DTLS needs 3 RTTs (including the initial >>>>>> RTT required for the Cookie exchange). >>>>>> When using DTLS/SCTP/UDP DTLS needs 2 RTTs (since there is no need for >>>>>> the DTLS Cookie). >>>>> >>>>> There's no need for the DTLS cookie in either case, actually, since ICE provides >>>>> the appropriate proof of return routability. >>>> I don't know much about ICE.... >>>> So assume that the endpoint willing to accept DTLS connections. >>>> Can't I just send an ClientHello via plain UDP to the endpoint (assuming that I can reach it)? >>> >>> When ICE is involved, there's no real concept of "an endpoint willing to >>> accept DTLS connections". At a high level, the way that ICE works is >>> that the communicating parties establish a session out of band and >>> then use the ICE handshake to bind one or valid 5-tuple flows to the >>> the session. Packets that arrive at one endpoint that aren't part of one >>> of these flows can more or less be discarded. (At least at this stage). >> OK, you you only pass those packets to DTLS, which belong to the 5 tuple >> which you have already communicated with, and discard the others, it is OK. >> So SCTP needs one RTT, DTLS two. > > Possibly < two for DTLS, because of resumption and False Start. So, somewhere > between 1 and 2. Correct. Best regards Michael > > Best, > -Ekr >
- [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-jesup… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Thornburgh
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Randell Jesup
- [rtcweb] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-… Ralph Giles
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Ralph Giles
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Tuexen
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Thornburgh
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Michael Tuexen
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Wolfgang Beck
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Wolfgang Beck
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Wolfgang Beck
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Wolfgang Beck
- Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-j… Saúl Ibarra Corretgé