Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec
Sergio Garcia Murillo <sergio.garcia.murillo@gmail.com> Tue, 04 September 2012 09:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec
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Maybe an stupid question, but how it is planned to enforce the mandated codecs implementation? What prevents any of those "corporations" not implementing a mandated codec in their WebRTC products? Best regards Sergio El 04/09/2012 5:13, Basil Mohamed Gohar escribió: > History has shown time and again the companies with sufficient market > power will opt to implement their own proprietary and/or patented > formats, or formats which benefit them financially, over royalty free, > widely-available formats, even when their own formats are technically > inferiors. Take, for example, Windows Media Audio, MP3, and AAC in > the audio realm (in contrast to Vorbis) and Windows Media Video and > also Quicktime formats (when, at the time, technically superior, more > standardized formats exists, such as the MPEG family, though that has > it's own problems). > > Mandating the implementation a royalty free format is about the only > way to get such corporations to implement it, even if it is > technically superior, as the above examples demonstrate. > > On 09/03/2012 02:23 PM, Randall Gellens wrote: >> At 1:52 PM -0400 9/3/12, Richard Shockey wrote: >> >>> So why, pray tell, did the IETF go through the grief of developing >>> OPUS if >>> its most useful application will not mandate its implementation. >> >> So OPUS won't be used unless it's mandated? >> >> If OPUS has the benefits ascribed to it here, then developers will >> flock to it and it doesn't need to be mandated. (If it doesn't have >> the benefits, then it shouldn't be mandated.) >> >>> SHOULD for 722 AMR-WB is very helpful in integration with >>> Enterprise and >>> Mobile networks. >>> >>> Its August .. clearly the silly season for technical discussions. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On >>> Behalf Of >>> Randall Gellens >>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 6:09 PM >>> To: John Leslie; Randell Jesup >>> Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec >>> >>> At 11:12 AM -0400 8/31/12, John Leslie wrote: >>> >>>> Our issue here is Mandatory-to-Implement. It is very important to >>>> have at least one MTI audio codec. I could live with that being >>>> G.711, because I trust the market to _actually_ implement others. >>> >>> Exactly. The discussion has been going in my view off-track into >>> debates >>> about which codec is best for which environments. The real issue is >>> mandatory versus recommended. >>> >>> We can pick G.711 as MTI and rely on implementers to support others. >>> >>> -- >>> Randall Gellens >>> Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself >>> only >>> -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- One never >>> sits in >>> hotel lobby chairs, my dear. One never knows whom has been sitting >>> in them >>> before one. >>> --unknown >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rtcweb mailing list >>> rtcweb@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >> >> > >
- [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Alan Johnston
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Martin Taylor
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Randall Gellens
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Randall Gellens
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Ralph Giles
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec stephane.proust
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Martin Taylor
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Randall Gellens
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Mandyam, Giridhar
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Gregory Maxwell
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Mandyam, Giridhar
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Mandyam, Giridhar
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Timothy B. Terriberry
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec John Leslie
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Mandyam, Giridhar
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec John Leslie
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Cameron Byrne
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Mandyam, Giridhar
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Mandyam, Giridhar
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Randall Gellens
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Gregory Maxwell
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Stefan Hacker
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Cameron Byrne
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Randall Gellens
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Jim Gettys
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Randall Gellens
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec John Leslie
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec Timothy B. Terriberry