Re: [rtcweb] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-uberti-rtcweb-rfc8829bis-00.txt

Justin Uberti <juberti@alphaexplorationco.com> Thu, 29 July 2021 20:10 UTC

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From: Justin Uberti <juberti@alphaexplorationco.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 13:10:34 -0700
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-uberti-rtcweb-rfc8829bis-00.txt
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I thought about this a bit more and came to the same conclusion. Noted
accordingly in the slides for today's session.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 11:56 AM Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 2:21 PM Justin Uberti <
> juberti@alphaexplorationco.com> wrote:
>
>> The problem though is that if you are setting bundle-only you also need
>> to zero the port, which opens up the whole can of worms with deployed
>> applications that we were hoping to avoid. Limiting it to IceRestart would
>> reduce the risk but not eliminate it.
>>
>
> Anything BUNDLE compliant should be able to handle m= lines with port 0
> and a=bundle-only, but it can be an issue for some existing
> implementations.
>
>
>> It would be good to hear of at least one example of this causing an
>> actual problem before spending substantial energy here, I think. Note also
>> that this would be a change to BUNDLE, not to JSEP.
>>
>
> BUNDLE was already modified to handle this:
> draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc8843bis-04 section 7.6 (
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc8843bis-04.html#section-7.6
> )
>
> I guess, if someone really needs this, they can munge the SDP.
> _____________
> Roman Shpount
>
>