Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb)
Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> Tue, 09 March 2021 15:53 UTC
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2021 10:53:33 -0500
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb)
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I will upload the slides to the datatracker. Thanks for getting these done early! spt > On Mar 8, 2021, at 14:30, Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> wrote: > > The slides have been reworked based on feedback that was provided. Here's the latest version that I plan to present on Friday. > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 1:44 PM Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> wrote: > Here's an initial set of slides that I put together the other day, still a few ??? to address: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1aprC-TwmLI_zGdWgnTdKVYvaqXNkcf9eMgMhAIzv8Ek/edit?usp=sharing&resourcekey=0-8HY7ugai8XnQyH4sA8cQdA. Please have a look and feel free to leave comments in the preso. > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 1:53 PM Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > Hi Roman, > > > > >You are probably the most qualified to do so. Let me know if you need any help regarding the current implementation status or backward interop testing. > > > > I don’t have much information, so feel free to send me whatever you have :) > > > > Regards, > > > > Christer > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 1:25 PM Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I could present the JSEP/BUNDLE specification misalignment, unless someone else wants to. > > > > Regards, > > > > Christer > > > > From: rtcweb <rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Ted Hardie > Sent: perjantai 19. helmikuuta 2021 20.11 > To: RTCWeb IETF <rtcweb@ietf.org> > Cc: rtcweb-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) > > > > And we're back. > > > > This is hopefully for a limited engagement, as the charter is quite pointed on what we have to do. > > > > We do have a meeting slot at IETF 110, Friday March 12, 12:00 UTC (the first slot on the final day, in other words). The bulk of the time will be spent on the handling of "m=" sections that are designated as bundle-only. If you want to present on this, please send a note to the WG as soon as possible. If you have some other agenda item, please let Sean and me know, and we'll discuss it with you. > > > > thanks, > > > > Ted and Sean > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 9:42 AM The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote: > > The Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) WG in the Applications > and Real-Time Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For additional > information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. > > Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Current status: Proposed WG > > Chairs: > Sean Turner <sean+ietf@sn3rd.com> > Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> > > Assigned Area Director: > Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com> > > Applications and Real-Time Area Directors: > Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> > Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com> > > Mailing list: > Address: rtcweb@ietf.org > To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/rtcweb/ > > Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/rtcweb/ > > Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-rtcweb/ > > The RTCWEB working group was originally chartered to standardize mechanisms > that provide direct interactive rich communication using audio, video, > collaboration, games, etc. between two peers' web-browsers, without requiring > non-standard extensions or proprietary plug-ins. The result was a set of > RFCs from RTCWEB, in addition to many other RFCs from other working groups, > all of which are interrelated and had to be published together in what the > RFC Editor refers to as a “cluster”. In the end, that cluster comprised more > than 40 RFCs and was finally published in January 2021. > > During the run-up to publication of the cluster, a contradiction was > identified between what became RFCs 8829 and 8843. A description of this > contradiction was added to both documents to highlight the problem, and state > our intention to proceed with publication but quickly initiate an effort to > publish updates to the affected documents. > > The key part of the added text was as follows: > > “The specific issue involves the handling of "m=" sections that are > designated as bundle-only, as discussed in Section 4.1.1 of [RFC 8829]. > Currently, there is divergence between JSEP and BUNDLE, as well as between > these specifications and existing browser implementations …” > > The working group is being reconstituted to take up this contradiction, come > to consensus on a resolution, and issue Standards Track updates for those two > documents. Specifically, the goal of this work is to address only the > contradictions regarding "bundle-only" between BUNDLE and JSEP. The > resulting aligned solution should avoid impacting the interoperability with > SDP Offer/Answer. Finally, the impact on existing implementations that are > affected by any change is to be considered. > > draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp, which has not yet been published, will be returned to > the working group to be updated according to the resolution of the issue > described above. The working group will therefore produce updates to the > JSEP and BUNDLE documents, and re-submit draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp for > publication after it has been revised. Updating any other document, or > taking up any other issue, is out of scope and will require IESG approval via > rechartering. > > Coordination with the MMUSIC working group to develop this solution will be > required. > > Milestones: > > Aug 2021 - Update to draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp to the IESG as Informational. > > Aug 2021 - Updates to the JSEP and BUNDLE documents to the IESG as Proposed > Standard. > > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > <Aligning JSEP + BUNDLE [public].pdf>
- [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Communi… The IESG
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Com… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Com… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Com… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Com… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Com… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Com… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Com… Sean Turner