Re: [rtcweb] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-rtcweb-security-11: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> Wed, 06 March 2019 19:34 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-rtcweb-security-11: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On 3/5/19 3:52 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) wrote:
> Hi Ekr,
>
> see below.
>
>> Am 28.02.2019 um 22:22 schrieb Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>:
>>
>>
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>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> I think this document is clearly informational. Other RTCweb documents should
>> refer this document informatively and only reference the sec arch doc
>> normatively.
>>
>> I don't feel strongly one way or the other. I will defer to the AD.
>
> I will wait for more feedback from other ADs and then clear my discuss respectively. However, to be honest I also don’t quite fully understand the split between this doc and the sec-arch one. But maybe that just me...


One additional point regarding the publication status of this document 
to consider is that it is intended to inform not just IETF efforts in 
this space, but W3C efforts as well. From that inter-SDO collaboration 
perspective, I believe having it clear the higher bar of Standards Track 
is an important signal regarding the level of consensus and review it 
has received.

/a