Re: [rtcweb] Matthew's Objections: was Re: Straw Poll on Video Codec Alternatives

"DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com> Wed, 11 December 2013 06:32 UTC

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From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com>
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Methinks you take that statement too far.

Or are you saying video is a mandatory component of all webrtc sessions?

And even if video was, then in 10 years, either of the particular codec specifications will be an irrelevance, but webrtc might live on - assuming it ever gets enough specification off the starting blocks.

In other words lets get a sense of perspective here, lets see less of the cycles on this discussion and lets see the focus back on progressing the documents.

Which document do the chairs want to place most emphasis on progressing first?

Regards

Keith 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rtcweb [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of cowwoc
> Sent: 11 December 2013 01:01
> To: rtcweb@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Matthew's Objections: was Re: Straw 
> Poll on Video Codec Alternatives
> 
> On 10/12/2013 7:01 PM, Martin Thomson wrote:
> > On 10 December 2013 15:23, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:
> >> Then light a candle.
> > I continue to do this, but still find myself agreeing with Matthew.
> 
> Methinks we are going to end up with two competing WebRTC 
> specifications...
> 
> We have hundreds of participants on this list and everyone 
> thinks they know better. The only way we're going to reach 
> any sort of consensus is if people start compromising. I 
> mention this because I noticed that some people have 
> responded to the straw poll with one "Yes", a bunch of "No"s 
> and not a single "Acceptable".
> 
> Anyway, I'll ask you the same question as I've asked Matthew: 
> what is your counter-proposal?
> 
> Gili
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