Re: [rtcweb] Is rtcweb the right place for draft-ietf-rtcweb-mdns-ice-candidates?

Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Thu, 15 August 2019 05:34 UTC

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From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
To: Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>
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Hi,

I agree with Roman, and I think the MMUSIC would be the best place since it most likely will have to update another MMUSIC spec. Also, there were quite a bit of discussions regarding FQDN support in MMUSIC while we were working on draft-ice-sip-sdp, so in my opinion a proper WG is the best place to work on the draft.

Regards,

Christer



Lähettäjä: rtcweb <rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org> Puolesta Roman Shpount
Lähetetty: torstai 15. elokuuta 2019 1.46
Vastaanottaja: Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>
Kopio: RTCWeb IETF <rtcweb@ietf.org>rg>; Justin Uberti <juberti=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Aihe: Re: [rtcweb] Is rtcweb the right place for draft-ietf-rtcweb-mdns-ice-candidates?

Just want to remind everyone that a new draft will need to be written to update ice-sip-sdp to enable sending FQDN in ICE candidates before mdns-ice-candidate can be released. I would assume it would need to happen in mmusic.

Also, mdns-ice-candidate is not really rtcweb specific. IP address privacy concerns addressed this draft apply to any peer-to-peer communication protocol that uses ICE.
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Roman Shpount


On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:40 PM Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com<mailto:adam@nostrum.com>> wrote:
Justin is correct regarding the current plan.

/a

On 8/14/19 5:18 PM, Justin Uberti wrote:
My understanding is that draft-ietf-rtcweb-mdns-ice-candidates is going to be AD sponsored.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 2:21 PM Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com<mailto:roman@telurix.com>> wrote:
Hi All,

Since RTCWEB is closed, I am going to ask once again: Should we move draft-ietf-rtcweb-mdns-ice-candidates to mmusic?

I know people are unhappy with mmusic draft development speed, but if enough people participate, we should be able to complete mdns draft quickly and potentially develop an additional draft which will clarify generic FQDN candidate processing procedures.

Thank You,
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Roman Shpount


On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 3:47 AM Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no<mailto:harald@alvestrand.no>> wrote:
On 7/6/19 10:15 PM, Roman Shpount wrote:

Given mmusic's traditional processing speed, I am not sure there's any
point in formally moving the document at this point.

It is especially slow when none of the people interested in the specific feature (FQDN in ICE candidates) participate in the discussion. So far this looks like this feature is going to be shipped regardless of what anybody thinks about it and without even attempting to discuss it in the group which is responsible for this functionality.

My favorite examples are -msid (initial version May 2012, IESG evaluation June 2016); -sdp-simulcast (initial version April 2015, IESG evaluation May 2018); -bundle-negotiation (initial version October 2011, IESG evaluation February 2018).

Each of these has its own history, but when a group is capable of discussing a draft for seven years before it is IESG-ready, I question the effectieness of moving drafts into that group.


Best Regards,
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Roman Shpount




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