Re: [rtcweb] Use cases - recording and voicemail

Randell Jesup <randell-ietf@jesup.org> Mon, 22 August 2011 20:12 UTC

Return-Path: <randell-ietf@jesup.org>
X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2DE21F8BAD for <rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:12:35 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.501
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.098, BAYES_00=-2.599]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1dsHuhQr6sTn for <rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:12:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from r2-chicago.webserversystems.com (r2-chicago.webserversystems.com [173.236.101.58]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5CC21F8BA6 for <rtcweb@ietf.org>; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:12:34 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from pool-98-111-140-38.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([98.111.140.38] helo=[192.168.1.12]) by r2-chicago.webserversystems.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <randell-ietf@jesup.org>) id 1QvasO-0007aa-9D for rtcweb@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:13:40 -0500
Message-ID: <4E52B7E9.1000006@jesup.org>
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:11:21 -0400
From: Randell Jesup <randell-ietf@jesup.org>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: rtcweb@ietf.org
References: <BBF498F2D030E84AB1179E24D1AC41D616C389F16D@ESESSCMS0362.eemea.ericsson.se><A444A0F8084434499206E78C106220CA09BDB6A238@MCHP058A.global-ad.net><BBF498F2D030E84AB1179E24D1AC41D616C389F242@ESESSCMS0362.eemea.ericsson.se>, <A444A0F8084434499206E78C106220CA09BDB6A34F@MCHP058A.global-ad.net><BBF498F2D030E84AB1179E24D1AC41D616C389F245@ESESSCMS0362.eemea.ericsson.se>, <A444A0F8084434499206E78C106220CA09BDB6A397@MCHP058A.global-ad.net><BBF498F2D030E84AB1179E24D1AC41D616C389F24A@ESESSCMS0362.eemea.ericsson.se><2E239D6FCD033C4BAF15F386A979BF510640D0@sonusinmail02.sonusnet.com><A444A0F8084434499206E78C106220CA0B00FDABAD@MCHP058A.global-ad.net> <2E239D6FCD033C4BAF15F386A979BF51064106@sonusinmail02.sonusnet.com> <1F2A2C70609D9E41844A2126145FC09801F1550D@HKGMBOXPRD22.polycom.com> <2E239D6FCD033C4BAF15F386A979BF51064117@sonusinmail02.sonusnet.com> <1F2A2C70609D9E41844A2126145FC09801F1555B@HKGMBOXPRD22.polycom.com> <4E52391B.6000900@alvestrand.no> <4E5255D0.90409@alum.mit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <4E5255D0.90409@alum.mit.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - r2-chicago.webserversystems.com
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jesup.org
X-Source:
X-Source-Args:
X-Source-Dir:
Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Use cases - recording and voicemail
X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list <rtcweb.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/rtcweb>, <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb>
List-Post: <mailto:rtcweb@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb>, <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:12:36 -0000

On 8/22/2011 9:12 AM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:

> On 8/22/11 7:10 AM, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
>> On 08/22/11 12:17, Avasarala, Ranjit wrote:
>>> Hi Partha
>>>
>>> I agree with Paul that we could use the recording mechanism discussed
>>> in siprec mailing list could be added here as webbrowser would
>>> essentially be a SIP UA which could initiate and terminate SIP sessions.
>> mandatory standard clarification (?):
>>
>> .. as somewhere in the combination of the Web browser, the Javascript
>> and the Web server it connects to, there would be something that
>> performs the functions of a SIP UA which could initiate and terminate
>> SIP sessions ...
>
> Yes, *something* of this sort - the devil is in the details.
>
> IIUC, its the intent of RTCWEB that the media flow directly between
> source and recipient, rather than following the path of the "signaling".
>
> (That of course was also the intent of SIP with proxies, but the almost
> pervasive use of SBCs has usually forced media to follow the signaling
> path.)
>
> In siprec, it is assumed that an entity called the SRC is in the
> signaling and media path of the call being recorded, as well as in the
> signaling and media path of a session with the recorder.
>
> If we assume that the RTCWEB "client" is in the media path, but not in a
> sip signaling path, and that the RTCWEB "server" is sip-capable but not
> in the media path, then we have a structure that doesn't quite fit the
> siprec model.
>
> However this could perhaps be made to work with siprec via some
> additional functionality in the RTCWEB client and server, and maybe some
> tweaks to what is being specified for siprec. The details will depend on
> which end is making the decision to do recording. If its the client,
> then that client will need a way to ask "the" server to establish a
> siprec session and to pass metadata. If its the server that makes the
> decision, then there needs to be a way for the server to ask the client
> to fork media and send it to multiple destinations.
>
> There are of course privacy concerns in this. Whether they are different
> in RTCWEB than they are for siprec in general remains to be seen.

There are also other practical issues.  In particular with bandwidth: you've
now roughly tripled the bandwidth requirement of the endpoint: it must send
to the other end, AND mirror both outgoing (which it controls) and incoming
(which it doesn't, or only controls very indirectly) to the recording server.


For cases where you have bandwidth to burn (audio-only calls on broadband)
you might get away with it.  For a video call under any sort of bandwidth
restraint, it would be a huge problem and would seriously degrade quality.


-- 
Randell Jesup
randell-ietf@jesup.org