Re: [rtcweb] Proposal for a JS API for NoPlan (adding multiple sources without encoding them in SDP)

Matthew Kaufman <matthew@matthew.at> Wed, 19 June 2013 18:16 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Proposal for a JS API for NoPlan (adding multiple sources without encoding them in SDP)
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On 6/19/2013 11:13 AM, Peter Thatcher wrote:
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> Agreed.  I'd rather not have it, but I'm trying to make incremental 
> improvements here.   I don't want to blow up everything and start from 
> scratch.
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My position is that there are no incremental improvements possible 
without removing the O/A state machine from the browser.

The whole point of JavaScript and the ability to manipulate objects is 
so that programmers can make the browser do things. Offer/Answer 
perverts that so significantly as to prevent reasonable JavaScript 
programming practice.

Matthew Kaufman