Re: [rtcweb] My Opinion: Why I think a negotiating protocol is a Good Thing
Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Tue, 18 October 2011 18:00 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] My Opinion: Why I think a negotiating protocol is a Good Thing
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On 10/18/11 19:54, Wolfgang Beck wrote: > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Harald Alvestrand<harald@alvestrand.no> wrote: > > >> The context of RTCWEB is the well known trapezoid: >> >> +-----------+ +-----------+ >> | Web | | Web | >> | | Signalling | | >> | |-------------| | >> | Server | path | Server | >> | | | | >> +-----------+ +-----------+ >> / \ >> / \ Proprietary over >> / \ HTTP/Websockets >> / \ >> / Proprietary over \ >> / HTTP/Websockets \ >> / \ >> +-----------+ +-----------+ >> |JS/HTML/CSS| |JS/HTML/CSS| >> +-----------+ +-----------+ >> +-----------+ +-----------+ >> | | | | >> | | | | >> | Browser | ------------------------- | Browser | >> | | Media path | | >> | | | | >> +-----------+ +-----------+ >> >> or even the triangle, where the triangle is formed when the two Web severs >> on top are collapsed into one. > I'll nag you again about my draft where there is only one single web > server and one JS client that runs on both browsers. > If you can make sure that all parties in a call use the same RTCWEB > server and -client, you don't need to standardize a protocol. I disagree with both of your assertions. 1) we have to support both the case of one web server and the case of 2 web servers. 2) when there is only one web server, one of the browsers is Firefox and the other one is Chrome, the JS needs to have a standard means of communication with the browser. This means a standard. I have explained in my long note why I think it makes sense to describe this as a protocol. > We startet RCTWEB to overcome the slow innovation pace associated with > protocol standardization. > If RTCWEB relies on a standardized protocol for its key functionality, > we have gained very little. > >> Another design criterion is that interworking should be possible > I'm not convinced that we need this, at least not at the signaling > level of RTCWEB clients and servers. I agree that we disagree. > > Wolfgang Beck >
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- Re: [rtcweb] My Opinion: Why I think a negotiatin… Harald Alvestrand
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- Re: [rtcweb] My Opinion: Why I think a negotiatin… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] My Opinion: Why I think a negotiatin… Wolfgang Beck
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- Re: [rtcweb] My Opinion: Why I think a negotiatin… Cullen Jennings
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