Re: [rtcweb] Interoperability between browsers (MTI Video)
Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> Sat, 16 March 2013 23:03 UTC
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From: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:03:03 +1100
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Interoperability between browsers (MTI Video)
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On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Leon Geyser <lgeyser@gmail.com> wrote: > [BA] No. It just removes the stick that each side can use to beat the >> other side. The need for interoperability still remains, and most likely >> will either be addressed by the marketplace choosing one over the other >> decisively >> > > I don't see how that would address it unless the browser vendors really > care about interoperability. My browser implements the WebRTC without a MTI > video codec spec and implements H.264; why whould I care about the others? > I mean the <video> tag has been out there for ages and the marketplace did > not dictate that H.264 or VP8 should be implemented. It still is split and > probably will stay like that. It's a terrible situation for video publishers having to provide two versions of video files, or support two players (one in HTML5 and one in Flash). It's not a model that we should follow. In fact, there is a discussion about making VP8 the baseline codec for <video>, too. However, everyone is waiting for more details on the MPEG-LA deal and on an update of the VP8/VP9 license in which Google would hand on their license. It will be a better situation for discussions then. I have a hunch on what this all will mean, but there's no need speculating when we can just wait a few weeks. Regards, Silvia.
- Re: [rtcweb] Interoperability between browsers (M… Leon Geyser
- [rtcweb] Interoperability between browsers (MTI V… Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] Interoperability between browsers (M… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Interoperability between browsers (M… Enrico Marocco
- Re: [rtcweb] Interoperability between browsers (M… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Interoperability between browsers (M… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Interoperability between browsers (M… Silvia Pfeiffer
- [rtcweb] Codec extensibility (Re: Interoperabilit… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Codec extensibility (Re: Interoperab… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Codec extensibility (Re: Interoperab… Leon Geyser