Re: [rtcweb] draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-cases-and-requirements-05 addition around IPv6 only and dualstack
Stefan Håkansson LK <stefan.lk.hakansson@ericsson.com> Mon, 26 September 2011 12:24 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-cases-and-requirements-05 addition around IPv6 only and dualstack
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Hi, as editor: I have some difficulties right now to judge what should be in and what should be out (in terms of use cases). I think some more consensus calls might be needed, but I need guidance from the chairs. Then there are some pieces that are discussed that are not really new use cases, but things that could be added existing ones or as a separate section. I keep a list of these at the *W3C* webrtc WiKi (because that is convenient to me, and to show that there are two stakeholders!): <http://www.w3.org/2011/04/webrtc/wiki/Main_Page#Use_cases_and_requirements> Please give me a heads up of the things I have missed to put in that list. Stefan On 2011-09-26 11:57, Harald Alvestrand wrote: > On 09/26/11 08:34, Magnus Westerlund wrote: >> Hi, >> >> (as individual) >> >> I would suggest that some section for general requirements that aren't >> use case specific is created and at least one such requirement is added. >> >> The requirement is the need to support IPv4 only, IPv6 only and >> dual-stack deployments as required by our charter. I think this should >> be added into the use-case and requirement document for two reasons. >> First, that is located next to the other requirements, secondly because >> W3C has decided to use our document also, I think it is important that >> such a general requirement both on protocols and any address field in >> the API handling both address families are covered. > I support adding those requirements. > > I think that it can also be instantiated within the specific use cases, > such as: > - Point to point call: One endpoint on IPv4, the other endpoint on IPv6 > - Multipoint call (with and without central server): One user on IPv4, > one user on IPv6 > > This is a limitation of the use-case-based model; it gets messy to > shoehorn all the "permutations" of situations into a single set of use > cases, without the list of use cases growing impossibly long or the use > cases' description expanding into incomprehensibility. > > On balance, I think having a "considerations applicable to all > scenarios" section saying: > > - Clients can be on IPv4-only > - Clients can be on IPv6-only > - Clients can be on dual-stack > - Clients can be on wideband (10s of Mbits/sec) > - Clients can be on narrowband (10s to 100s of Kbits/sec) > - Clients can be on variable-media-quality networks (wireless) > - Clients can be on congested networks > - Clients can be on firewalled networks with no UDP allowed > - Clients can be on networks with cone NAT > - Clients can be on networks with symmetric NAT > > might be a good way to go forward. > > A particular query on v4/v6 interoperation: Should we make it a > requirement that dual-stack to IPv4 always use the IPv4 native path > rather than a gateway functionality (and the converse for IPv6), or > should we just be silent about it? > I think it may affect some tuning of the ICE address selection > algorithm, in particular if we encounter 6to4 addresses. There might be > RFCs we can cite already. > > >> Cheers >> >> Magnus Westerlund >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 >> Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 >> SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rtcweb mailing list >> rtcweb@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >> > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb
- [rtcweb] draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-cases-and-requirem… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-cases-and-requ… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [rtcweb] draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-cases-and-requ… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-cases-and-requ… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-cases-and-requ… Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [rtcweb] draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-cases-and-requ… Jim McEachern