Re: [rtcweb] Single-origin and consent

Bernard Aboba <bernard_aboba@hotmail.com> Thu, 20 October 2011 18:33 UTC

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> I think we can (if the app tells us to, since it's "same-origin" and 
> the app should know), but I'm a little less certain of the "should".  
> Is there an attack wherein someone could 'host' some JS content (app) 
> on a site and use it to attack/DoS that site from multiple places?  It 
> seems at least plausible.

[BA] Taken to its conclusion, this is an argument for imposing ICE as a requirement for *all* web-based applications. 

There is no evidence that such a requirement is necessary -- and even if it were to be done, it would be almost certainly be ignored (and rightly so) by the developer community. 

There is a line between safely attempting to add new functionality, and attempting to disable existing functionality.  

The former is in scope, the latter is not.