Re: [rtcweb] Summary of Application Developers' opinions of the current WebRTC API and SDP as a control surface

Bernard Aboba <bernard_aboba@hotmail.com> Wed, 17 July 2013 00:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Summary of Application Developers' opinions of the current WebRTC API and SDP as a control surface
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The problem was that we never defined what mangling browsers had to support. Given all the SDP specs that is actually a huge work item. And creating APIs to avoid mangling isn't actually that much simpler. What knobs do you provide and which ones do you ignore? Browsers might not agree on those either.

On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:37 PM, "Stefan Håkansson LK" <stefan.lk.hakansson@ericsson.com>; wrote:

> On 7/8/13 5:22 PM, Roman Shpount wrote:
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>> So, was there ever a consensus that "developers MUST NOT
>> touch SDP"?
> 
> No, developers are free to touch the SDP (and probably must in certain 
> cases).
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