Re: [rtcweb] New Draft - WebRTC JS Object API Model

Tim Panton <tim@phonefromhere.com> Tue, 02 July 2013 08:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] New Draft - WebRTC JS Object API Model
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On 2 Jul 2013, at 08:21, Stefan Håkansson LK wrote:
> 
> But I think we should not underestimate the work needed to describe all 
> the nitty gritty details using another "language" than SDP.

Conversely we shouldn't underestimate (again) the difficulty of describing all the
nitty gritty details in SDP. 

I have the sense that we may have pushed the flexibility of SDP beyond it's elastic limit.

I think that over the last year we have discovered that a dynamically programmable browser
is a fundamentally different beast from a deskphone and that what suits one may well not suit the other.

Tim.