Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoints [was RE: Use Case draft]
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoints [was RE: Use Case draft]
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On 5/2/12 7:50 PM, Dan Wing wrote: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-rtcweb-3.pdf > However, when I presented slide 7, there were objections at the > microphone that this model 'is broken'. I would like to understand > the objections so we can reach consensus on how interworking from > WEBRTC to non-WEBRTC is expected to occur. IMHO it would be much easier, as described in tons of previous email, to use different Key Management for different requirements: - SDES + SRTP for end-to-site (peer to gateway) - DTLS-SRTP for end-to-end (peer to peer) It would be a simpler approach for: - Security (the user know the security level) - Interoperability (Use standard protocols for the need to interoperate) That way the "simpler, legacy, standard" technology would be used for all voip "server applications" while the new burning (yet not used by anyone) DTLS-SRTP will be used for peer-to-peer calls. Please DO NOT reinvent the wheel for what's already existing and deployed. Doing so, it's like going against the natural human behavior, it would just represent a failure. Fabio
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Timothy B. Terriberry
- [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft (privacy) Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft (privacy) Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft (privacy) Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Igor Faynberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stephan Wenger
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Cavigioli, Chris
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Igor Faynberg
- [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoints [… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Lorenzo Miniero
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Mary Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal (mperumal)
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Xavier Marjou
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Harald Alvestrand
- [rtcweb] Consent freshness and message-integrity … Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Consent freshness and message-integr… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Consent freshness and message-integr… Harald Alvestrand