Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER scenario in JSEP
Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> Thu, 10 May 2012 16:40 UTC
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From: Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER scenario in JSEP
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On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca> wrote: > > On May 3, 2012, at 2:34 PM, Roman Shpount wrote: > > > On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Christer Holmberg < > christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: > > You could also choose not to alert the remote user until the ICE > procedures have finished - more or less using ICE with preconditions. > > > > Of course, that is going to trigger actions in STUN/TURN servers, even > if the called party won't accept the call, but at least from a user > experience perspective that is still better than lifting the hook, and > having to wait for whatever-time-it-takes-for-ICE-to-finish seconds before > one can start to talk. > > > > > > This also has a downside of disclosing user's IP to the caller without > the user confirmation. For a lot of applications this can be serious > security flaw. > > _____________ > > The initial media flow could be forced to provide only relay ICE > candidates to help mitigate this. (I think we decided awhile back that was > one of the things we would provide support for in the API). Later with the > user answers or consents in same way, the ICE can move the media to a non > relay flow. > > Just to make this clear, in this scenario, once application receives the offer, it will generate a provisional answer with only relay candidates, send this answer to the calling party, completes the ICE process on the called party side, and then alert the called party. Once called user accepts the call, application will send the final answer with relay, reflexive and local candidates. This can also be implemented with final answer with only relay candidates by the called party before user accepts the the call, and O/A in the opposite direction once the call is accepted. There is still a slight chance of clipping the media from the calling party towards the called party since the answer might not arrive to the calling party or ICE process from the calling party to the called party might not complete before the called party answers. To avoid this, application will need to send a separate message via signaling or data channel once the ICE process on the calling side completes and only alert the called party once this signaling message is received. What it boils down to is that application should setup the media channel (provide relay candidates only from the called side, if IP privacy is a concern), send a separate signaling message when it is done, and then alert the user. This will significantly slow down the actual call setup and will use a bunch of extra resources, but will solve the clipping problem. _____________ Roman Shpount
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- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Harald Alvestrand
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- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Christer Holmberg
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- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Ejzak, Richard P (Richard)
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roy, Radhika R CIV (US)
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Ejzak, Richard P (Richard)
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Victor Semanic
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Ejzak, Richard P (Richard)
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- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Randell Jesup