Re: [rtcweb] H.261

"Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" <fluffy@cisco.com> Wed, 27 November 2013 15:23 UTC

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From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" <fluffy@cisco.com>
To: cowwoc <cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org>
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On Nov 26, 2013, at 10:26 PM, cowwoc <cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org>; wrote:

>> 
>> 3. I asked for the ability to license multiple units at a time so we deploy images and applications without a separate plugin/download process.
>> 
>> StW: if this is related to MPEG-LA (and not to the Cisco download mechanism) the answer is simple.  You, as an MPEG-LA sublicensee, are responsible for the correct accounting of the number of codecs you “sell” (where “sell” includes things like free download etc.).  MPEG-LA has the right to audit you, and if they do  and you are found cheating, then there are provisions for penalties. /StW
> 
> Good point. I guess I am asking about Cisco's mechanism, since it is the one that we will be bound by. I guess this would be much simpler if Cisco hit the licensing upper limit, because then we wouldn't need to keep on counting.
> 
> Gili

Cisco is going to pay the cap - not because we think counting is hard (even CDNs allow easy counting) - but because we believe that the Firefox usage alone will greatly exceed the cap.