Re: [rtcweb] VP8 vs H.264 - the core issue

[cowwoc <[e-mail]>]

On 25/10/2013 12:16 AM, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
> On 10/25/2013 01:13 AM, cb.list6 wrote:
>>
>> There is no holding back vp8, it can always be negotiated.
>>
>> My guidance is no mti.
>>
>> I, for one, am tired of the gang-land ipr turf wars and posturing. 
>> This argument is all about ipr, and ietf is explicitly setup to punt 
>> on all ipr issue because they are hard.
>>
>> Any layperson can see there is no concensus to be found. That's why 
>> we designed for codec negotiating and negotiating away from failure 
>> is left for implementation
>>
> Formalistically, the people who argue for abandoning an MTI, like the 
> people who argue for adapting an antiquated codec, have not put in a 
> draft by the chairs' deadline of October 6, so have not made a proposal.
>
> But I'm not the one who argued for this to be put on the agenda for 2 
> hours.
> The people who pushed for this to be on the agenda for 2 hours need to 
> come forward and say why they believe this is a good use of our time. 
> I haven't yet heard a VP8 proponent saying so.
>
> So far, apart from learning a bit more about configuring x264, I 
> haven't seen much new information.

     I think the real elephant in the room is whether Apple and 
Microsoft (who are on the H264 bandwagon) will decide to implement VP8 
just because you mandate it or whether they will side-step WebRTC 
altogether. FireFox's market-share is decline so more and more this is 
becoming a story of Chrome vs IE (on desktop) + Safari (on mobile).

     The real question we should be asking is how to get Apple and 
Microsoft on board. If we could get everyone on board, the question of 
what codec should be used would melt away (hint: there is no objective 
answer to this question).

Gili