Re: [rtcweb] H261/MPEG-1 video quality

cowwoc <cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org> Fri, 15 November 2013 15:39 UTC

Return-Path: <cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org>
X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5894811E8211 for <rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:39:34 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -3.524
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6xxp1fJvmwpB for <rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:39:28 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-ie0-f176.google.com (mail-ie0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108BE11E81F0 for <rtcweb@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:37:29 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-ie0-f176.google.com with SMTP id x13so5107509ief.35 for <rtcweb@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:37:19 -0800 (PST)
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=hUpPgIsVEMCm1MLcENybjiuymtwh9X95VuuvIAPYuUM=; b=EQUzVEIE8We8Sf8mVHqE5Az7FKdDvVd7kO4cOYpBk7uYYfSt7wJopz4A6tKNt9wftd coNi3kVcvzZTzZibUCXfy9kTE0+WtPKFBoiZpve9KxlAV9s2Axz7qFAcYbdtV9QJSQUm CTg2PKJ+moFIzJSvd0BAYZH1A16XaZWCIG8N0wxexr1wr9+dvYK82CIN2nN90YTUwbkg uC00HslxzpYJDuyckbEruyxFtCxV5PAYQTzzg49A9BAjKi+0Hg4eeR8OZG4qhIXmvwSs TiRbwK8NhsJFGl482Gv6b2SLNjdo0s17kZL3NGG6lyf0hvpTcqZdjhsvFksWnb+IV751 4VoQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn2CGY8t7kbOz+a/hrIRUvDtek7O5bmzAm2nToQL+KZczj1douflGYz94VEPemn+hDZa/r6
X-Received: by 10.50.29.114 with SMTP id j18mr4054329igh.24.1384529839543; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:37:19 -0800 (PST)
Received: from [192.168.1.100] (206-248-171-209.dsl.teksavvy.com. [206.248.171.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j16sm3728343igf.6.2013.11.15.07.37.18 for <rtcweb@ietf.org> (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:37:18 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <52863F9D.9090103@bbs.darktech.org>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:37:01 -0500
From: cowwoc <cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: rtcweb@ietf.org
References: <52855B35.3080605@nostrum.com> <CEAAB858.AA2AF%stewe@stewe.org> <CAGgHUiShX3wYpFCjUP9cK6isjQLMYDYcYCTbc=Ene9wHfaeNPQ@mail.gmail.com> <CACrD=+-auo6VncrusOaRLjfFPNijwRdFomM0t8EwBEE4MZ=tUw@mail.gmail.com> <5285CCCE.6040906@ericsson.com> <528625E0.1030203@bbs.darktech.org> <52862E10.8000506@alvestrand.no>
In-Reply-To: <52862E10.8000506@alvestrand.no>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: Re: [rtcweb] H261/MPEG-1 video quality
X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list <rtcweb.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/rtcweb>, <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb>
List-Post: <mailto:rtcweb@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb>, <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 15:39:34 -0000

On 15/11/2013 9:22 AM, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
> On 11/15/2013 02:47 PM, cowwoc wrote:
>> Magnus,
>>
>> Couldn't we alter the option with H.261 to state that we're proposing 
>> an IPR-expired codec *like* H.261? I don't think we need to decide at 
>> this moment which precise codec that would be.
>
> If the proposal isn't for a concrete codec, it's impossible to evaluate.
>
> Please - if you want this option to be on the table, make it a real 
> option, not a "someone else should do the work necessary to figure out 
> if it's a real option".

Agreed. I'll reply to Magnus's thread.

Gili