Re: [rtcweb] ~"I'd love it if patents evaporated...If not now, when"

cowwoc <cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org> Thu, 14 November 2013 06:46 UTC

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Okay, so I stand corrected (thank you for pointing this out).

So, I guess my new argument is: WebRTC shouldn't support any less than 
Flash ;)

Gili

On 14/11/2013 12:41 AM, Philipp Hancke wrote:
>> Really? I've never seen a single P2P video chat app in Flash.
>
> You missed chatroulette and it's clones?
>
>>  What specifically does "P2P for real time communication" actually mean?
>
> See the slides from the 2009 MAX presentation.
> http://assets.max.adobe.com/files/307/P2P%20on%20the%20Flash%20Platform%20with%20RTMFP.pdf 
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> RTMFP was and is in many ways alot more advanced than webrtc.
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