Re: [rtcweb] Video codecs: Clear positions....

Sergio Garcia Murillo <> Tue, 09 December 2014 17:45 UTC

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On 09/12/2014 18:36, cowwoc wrote:
> On 09/12/2014 12:32 PM, David Singer wrote:
>> I would also like to know from those confirming the sense of the 
>> room, whether THEY THEMSELVES intend to implement both codecs, or 
>> whether they conveniently think they don’t need to, and it’s just a 
>> problem for other people to handle.
>> Honestly, a +1 for “those other people should do it” is meaningless.
> That's a fair point. I'm guessing the vast majority of people 
> answering on the mailing list only plan to implement one codec because 
> they are non-browser implementors.

No, that's not a fair point. I don't see most of the people making 
taking decisions on other topics (SDP, FEC,  DTLS, CC, 
SVC/Simulcasting/Multicasting, Plan A/PlanB/No plan) implementing them 
themselves. So if this going to be the rule about who-can-vote-what we 
should redefine the whole IETF process.

Everyone should be aware of what are they voting and what is the amount 
of burden/costs it requires to be implemented, and see how that will 
contribute to the success/failure of webrtc and vote accordingly. Not 
just in this topic, but in any topic.

Best regards