Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CCF1A6FA3 for ; Fri, 2 May 2014 10:49:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J38mHhj7kjtc for ; Fri, 2 May 2014 10:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-f48.google.com (mail-wg0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2351A6FA9 for ; Fri, 2 May 2014 10:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id x13so1359479wgg.19 for ; Fri, 02 May 2014 10:49:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=53YWDneu6xkboJsvzcQ4rt+SsGZXbfAyA08+P12c4bU=; b=Ip3MrmuiR6b5XxQkjcZD8QMkJ3p5jwnH99LRkM7gBKmoDRBQB7hRbtaN4nApNki6e+ 2uNtZdSTOSL+RsrlVsak9oX7uL5wAnVlmS6L8Dv9xaeKViFQ9+DEV9q1xkW/lvYfKm60 JiRft7rlDtdMgscGAHiNkg9u8DudspHHcClyPYI0CxG45SLB5ghysR8IlG5xXuMa6cr+ qDlHRpA1cPaqfJem9Cj9l961VvfSf/fKdLN6RiCA4QQc2cPduRGOKl7eYYxusnyOm7dN wunyFsMFAB2oPZDntzo+QVnh9M6YzJj0vhzGiO5OC/x4Z+kuoYikUA3vBHHX3fIgQv9U yWbw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkLbit1Q1yi9pRt47KzQ5ksasdLAihMUA8/TRAhV3G0O/UoMW5T7gfCSQZvXdkqMVdMDQB9 X-Received: by 10.180.13.8 with SMTP id d8mr4023965wic.13.1399052941986; Fri, 02 May 2014 10:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com (mail-wi0-f181.google.com [209.85.212.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id nb8sm6192703wic.18.2014.05.02.10.49.00 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 02 May 2014 10:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id f8so2744747wiw.8 for ; Fri, 02 May 2014 10:48:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.92.69 with SMTP id ck5mr4049544wib.15.1399052939977; Fri, 02 May 2014 10:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.181.136 with HTTP; Fri, 2 May 2014 10:48:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5363D9A8.5080801@alvestrand.no> References: <5357B281.1030900@alvestrand.no> <4A607E3C-B0A3-450E-863C-8E71C8EFC191@cisco.com> <28C7190C-B47A-4C31-9EA4-F55AD386507F@phonefromhere.com> <5363D9A8.5080801@alvestrand.no> Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 13:48:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: Roman Shpount To: Harald Alvestrand Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30684739826be104f86e6500 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtcweb/iH1_fF9kDsH_WfM5YkDPKHcwdRk Cc: "rtcweb@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on the Internet - which is more realistic? X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 17:49:06 -0000 --20cf30684739826be104f86e6500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Harald Alvestrand wrote: > I'd put it the other way round - QoS helps (when it works), but rate > adaptation is still needed. > > We might actually agree on what we need to do :-) > I am sure we agree :) We need both QOS and rate adaptation to get the best possible communication connection quality. _____________ Roman Shpount --20cf30684739826be104f86e6500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On F= ri, May 2, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no= > wrote:
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I'd put it the other way r= ound - QoS helps (when it works), but rate adaptation is still needed.

We might actually agree on what we need to do :-)

I am sure we agree :) We need both QOS and rate adaptation= to get the best possible communication connection quality.
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