Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we think about interconnecting RTCWEB applications
Dzonatas Sol <dzonatas@gmail.com> Mon, 17 October 2011 17:52 UTC
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From: Dzonatas Sol <dzonatas@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we think about interconnecting RTCWEB applications
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On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Wolfgang Beck < wolfgang.beck01@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Randell Jesup <randell-ietf@jesup.org> > wrote: > > > Ok, I looked at draft-beck-rtcweb-alt-ic. > > > > One huge problem with it: it's based on an assumption that for most cases > of > > federation and cross-service calls won't hold: that clients will use the > > same client JS app, and the services are just providing different > > realms/methods of authentication and user-lookup. > > > > Also, your draft doesn't explain how A & B came to be talking to the same > > server in the first place. The draft seems mostly focused on how a > single > > provider can use a shared authentication scheme (and I would suggest that > we > > try to find a provider-agnostic way to leverage id systems such as > BrowserID > > and/or OpenID to provide end-user identification). > > > Ok, here's an example that works today. Let's assume you have a yahoo > account and want to post a comment on stackexchange.com. > You just point your browser to the stackexchange.com url [i.e. user > location]. Now you log in using your yahoo account as OpenID. The > browser loads the stackexchanges's JS client that enables you to post > your text. There is no comment-posting-protocol required between > yahoo and > stackexchange. They only have to agree on an 3rd party authentication > protocol. > > If stackexchange extends its functionality, let's say with real-time > chat (which they did), your browser will load the appropriate JS > client > the next time you load the page. All parties in the chat will use the > same JS client under stackexchange's control, regardless whether > people have > used google, yahoo, or facebook to log in. There is no need to > standardize anything that crosses stackexchange's servers. > > Now you want to make a comment on some blog at blogspot.com. You point > your browser at the blog's URL and log in using your Yahoo OpenID. > The browser loads blogspot's JS client. The GUI looks quite different > but you can post your comment as well. > > With the current RTCWEB thinking, we would have to specify an intra > server protocol that covered stackexchange's discussion and chat > systems as well as blogspot comments. Such a protocol would soon get > very complex. > Such protocol is not possible across domains unless the host is the same. Only when the host is the same does intra- faces makes sense.
- [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we think ab… BeckW
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Wolfgang
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Wolfgang
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Roy, Radhika R USA CIV (US)
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Stephan Wenger
- [rtcweb] VP8 and parameters (Re: Signalling, SDP,… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Wolfgang
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Wolfgang
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Wolfgang Beck
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Wolfgang Beck
- Re: [rtcweb] Signalling, SDP, and the way we thin… Cullen Jennings