Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda requests for Atlanta meeting)
worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Fri, 19 October 2012 17:16 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda requests for Atlanta meeting)
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[re-sent with the correct From address] > From: Stefan Hakansson LK <stefan.lk.hakansson@ericsson.com> > > One discussion I think we've not had yet is the granularity the API > could report "can't use this SDP blob" on. Say that a new offer (in on > ongoing sessions) was received indicating the addition of two audio and > two video tracks (from Alice to Bob). What if Bob's browser could decode > both audio tracks but has resources to handle only one of the video > tracks, should it be able to tell so (perhaps with the result that two > audio and one video track was added)? Or should the update of the > session just fail? Within the use case of a WebRTC server/SIP gateway, whenever the WebRTC client requests an update of SDP, the SIP far end UA can reject the update. (In regard to current practice, most of the time a UA will accept the part of the SDP that it can and make the rest inactive, but some transcoding SIP B2BUAs will fix a codec early in the dialog and refuse any SDP changes after that. In addition, some UAs do not support UPDATE at all.) The SIP gateway needs to be able to report this failure to the WebRTC client API in a usable way, and the reporting has to be asynchronous to the SDP update request. By the rules of SIP, the session state reverts to the previous session state, but it would be a reasonable architecture if the gateway was required to execute additional WebRTC actions to achieve that effect. (However, the WebRTC client must be forbidden from rejecting those actions!) In theory, the reestablishment of the previous SDP state could require renegotiating ICE (and SRTP keys?), but in practice, that would require excessive overhead, I think. Ideally, this does not require the code in the JSEP application to know specifically that the remote end is a SIP gateway, because we don't want the WebRTC client applications to have to be specially coded to support SIP gateways (or any other particular type of WebRTC server). Given that these things need to be supported, it is easy for the SIP gateway to interwork with a WebRTC architecture that allows SDP updates in states where the SIP signaling does not: If the SIP gateway receives a WebRTC SDP update in a state where an update is not permitted in SIP, it can instead send an update rejection to the WebRTC client. This allows the WebRTC offer/answer structure to be more flexible than the SIP offer/answer structure without hindering interworking (other than that sometimes WebRTC SDP updates fail). Dale
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda request… Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Dale R. Worley
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Dale R. Worley
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Hutton, Andrew
- [rtcweb] Handling a partially-useful offer (Re: R… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Handling a partially-useful offer (R… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Dale R. Worley
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)