Re: [rtcweb] Making both VP8 and H264 MTI
Mohammed Raad <mohammedsraad@raadtech.com> Thu, 07 November 2013 14:01 UTC
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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 01:01:07 +1100
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From: Mohammed Raad <mohammedsraad@raadtech.com>
To: Ron <ron@debian.org>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Making both VP8 and H264 MTI
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Hi, If I have understood the content of the story at the link you provided correctly, either you run through (what the story calls) "relay servers" or you are exposed to a large patent licensing fee. Is that a correct understanding? Best Regards, Mohammed On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Ron <ron@debian.org> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 03:04:06PM +0900, David Singer wrote: > > > > On Nov 7, 2013, at 5:33 , Mohammed Raad <mohammedsraad@raadtech.com> > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > There isn't much new in the arguments for and against VP8 vs H.264. Its > > > clear that there are concerns that are beyond how well each codec > performs > > > and whether or not it is free. Although I recognize that the > transcoding > > > option does not address the P2P use case, I do think that the goal of > > > interoperability can be better achieved through a two phase approach. > The > > > first is enabling end-points to inter-operate through the availability > of > > > transcoding from the service provider. The second is to make one of the > > > codecs the defacto MTI because of the its higher level of adoption. > Yes, we > > > may never get to a single MTI if we follow this path but at least we > will > > > have endpoints inter-operating. Besides, there are multiple other > > > difficulties in getting seamless P2P communications working all the > time, > > > so I would suggest focusing on the service provider centered use case > > > first. > > > > You know, you're right. > > > > We could suggest or even recommend both, and mandate you must implement > at > > least one of the two. That would identify precisely two interoperability > > points in an otherwise much larger space, at least, and make it fairly > simple > > for those that can and wish to, to offer transcoding, since the two ends > are > > now defined. It's not ideal, but it might be better than saying nothing > at > > all. > > I thought the performance and other problems with forcing _everyone_ > through > a central relay server were well known? I would have thought David at > least > would be somewhat aware of them. Adding that to a guaranteed interop > failure > outcome might be a cunning plan, but I wouldn't call it a good one. > > > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/08/report-after-patent-loss-apple-tweaks-facetime-and-logs-500000-complaints/ > > The whole point of a MTI codec is there will be no "otherwise larger space" > if we choose one that all implementors are free to use. > > Ron > > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > -- Mohammed Raad, PhD. Partner RAADTECH CONSULTING P.O. Box 113 Warrawong NSW 2502 Australia Phone: +61 414451478 Email: mohammedsraad@raadtech.com
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