Re: [rtcweb] draft-ietf-rtcweb-jsep-05 - Subsequent Offers

Stefan Håkansson LK <stefan.lk.hakansson@ericsson.com> Thu, 07 November 2013 18:10 UTC

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On 07/11/13 18:52, "Martin Thomson" <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 6 November 2013 23:11, Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A more complex case is:
>>>   X offers A, B, C
>>>   Y answers A, B
>>>
>>> Then X begins using A, and not using B.
>>> When doing next offer,
>>> 1) X MUST offer A, B, C
>>> 2) X MUST offer A, B
>>> 3) X MUST offer A
>>> 4..N) X MUST offer one of above by default, but may offer more
>>>according
>>> to some constraint.
>>>
>>
>> X may be using A in this case, but Y may be using B, so #3 would be bad
>>IMO.
>> (Remember, the reason for the new offer is because some other property
>>of
>> the session changed.)
>>
>> #2 would be the default behavior, and #1 would be the optional behavior
>>that
>> the application could choose.
>
>Thanks to Paul for the example, and I definitely agree with the
>requirement that the negotiated (not just in-use) parameters MUST
>remain.  That's a given.
>
>My suggestion is that we *don't* add a constraint, we just require the
>inclusion of everything.  If you want to constrain codec use, then you
>can use the mechanisms that we provide for doing that.  Currently,
>that's editing SDP; though we've talked about specific constraints in
>the form of { video: { disableCodec: 'VP8' } } or something like that.

At the last WebRTC teleconf we discussed what media transmission related
constraints we should have for v1, and the consensus at that meeting was
clear: codec selection was not one of them. So if you have to remove
codec(s) from the offer that would have to be done by SDP mangling. I
guess that I¹m trying to say that your suggestion is in line with
consensus at that meeting at least, and also in line with my personal
opinion.


>
>I don't want to create a special new set of constraints that will
>effectively never get used.

I agree.

>
>(We do need to be careful about overconstraining implementations by
>using MUST here.  Implementations should be encouraged to offer
>everything that they can do, but circumstances might change such that
>even negotiated codecs can become unavailable.  Any MUST will need to
>be modulated.)
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