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Re: [rtcweb] [tram] [RTCWEB] [TRAM] Protesting: Requesting TRAM Charter Clarification regardig Milestone 3: TURN server auto-discovery mechanism for enterprise and ISPs

"Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" <fluffy@cisco.com> Wed, 26 February 2014 01:05 UTC

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From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" <fluffy@cisco.com>
To: Karl Stahl <karl.stahl@intertex.se>, IESG IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] [tram] [RTCWEB] [TRAM] Protesting: Requesting TRAM Charter Clarification regardig Milestone 3: TURN server auto-discovery mechanism for enterprise and ISPs
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On Feb 25, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Karl Stahl <karl.stahl@intertex.se> wrote:

> To the TRAM WG and RTCWEB WG and ADs:
>  
> It must be a clear objective of the TRAM WG that ISPs/NSPs are allowed and encouraged to route quality demanding WebRTC media into their IP pipes that are capable of transporting real-time traffic without quality issues, using TURN servers.
>  

Reading the charter, the above is *not* at all a clear objective of the WG (note I am not the chair of this WG or the responsible AD). 

That said, I think you have pointed out this charter is abysmally vague - it does not say what the WG is not going to do. If I decided to do BGP for routing updates over TURN it would be within the scope of this charter. 

My advice to the responsible AD is recharter this WG before IETF 90 or close it. I would be glad to help write a charter that is not an infinite blank cheque.

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