Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:)
Stephan Wenger <stewe@stewe.org> Tue, 21 June 2011 16:23 UTC
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From: Stephan Wenger <stewe@stewe.org>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:)
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What Cullen writes below matches my experience. And, its not even limited to "modern" codecs. I would suggest that the observed behavior is true for any video codec that has sub-pel motion compensation, i.e. any video compression standard developed since H.263 (1998). Stephan On 6.21.2011 09:11 , "Cullen Jennings" <fluffy@cisco.com> wrote: >[...] > >Consider two different video flows using the same codec ... > >Stream A is 640 x 480 at 1mbps which is this scaled to 320x240 and >displayed > >Stream B is 320 x 240 at 1mbps which is displayed at 320x240. > >My experience has been with modern video codecs that stream B will look >better than stream A. As well as looking better, it will typically also >have a better PSNR. There's a bunch of reasons why which are probably not >worth going into here but give it a try and you will see what I mean. The >key point is both streams where 1mbps. If stream B was sent at 256 kbps, >then A would look better. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >rtcweb mailing list >rtcweb@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb
- [rtcweb] use case: Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] use case: Aron Rosenberg
- [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Stephan Wenger
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Varun Singh
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Stephan Wenger
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Bert Greevenbosch
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Bert Greevenbosch
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] Changing video size (Re: use case:) Harald Alvestrand