Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handling

Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca> Mon, 02 April 2018 13:55 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handling
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All the stuff we are discussing here has been brought up and discussed in the WG. If there was a way we could tweak the words of this to be better, I think we would have already done that. What I don’t want to do is spend a bunch of time rehash old arguments and several months from now come to exactly where we are today. The wording has been tweaked many times. The browsers added APIs so that browser extensions could have better control over what happened. Thick apps have access to all this same data. 

I don’t agree with some parts of the draft but I do recognize that the WG had consensus that the current document covers the issues and I am just in the rough on this. I think most the WG feels that the current draft is the best possible choice and the browser have done what they can to mitigate this. That’s why I tried to make it clear in my email that I don’t expect this draft to change because of my concerns, but I am simply noting my disagreement. I do not think that spending a bunch more time discussing this would in change the outcome from what the draft currently says. 

Cullen