Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture

Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Wed, 12 June 2013 17:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture
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On 12 June 2013 09:29, Hadriel Kaplan <hadriel.kaplan@oracle.com>; wrote:
> We've had a lot of discussions on the list about this over the past couple
> years.  I thought the general feeling was at this point we needed to discuss
> it live - either in person or on a con call - because it was hard to follow
> all the arguments in email.  Maybe that was just my feeling, but I could
> swear some other people said the same thing at the last IETF 86 meeting or
> Boston interim.

That's consistent with my understanding.  This seems far less
contentious than the video MTI discussion, but continuously deferring
discussion hasn't helped.