Re: [rtcweb] Summary of Video Codec contributions
Erik Lagerway <erik@hookflash.com> Mon, 22 October 2012 15:39 UTC
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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ron <ron@debian.org> wrote: > > Hi Erik, > > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 01:56:55AM -0700, Erik Lagerway wrote: > > Thought it important to point out the fact that FREE-P8 (VP8) would > likely > > be the preferred codec implemented by independent developers. Royalties > and > > admin headaches create a barrier to entry. Independent dev shops equate > to > > a great deal of innovation and some of these have been responsible for > > dictating the standard in market with hundreds of millions of users. Yes, > > there is plenty of interoperability with 264 today but that doesn't mean > it > > will be that way tomorrow. > > Very true. Though for developers who don't click-track and count users > of their software it is more than just preferred. An RF solution is > actually the only viable way for this standard to be accessible to them. > > Any standard that immediately excludes a large portion of potential > developers and adopters can only ever be of niche value and is certain > to be replaced before long by an alternative that doesn't have that > constraint as a fundamental flaw preventing its broadest use. > > If the whole point of this group was to avoid further fracturing of > the developer efforts in this space, then solving this problem now > would be much preferable to forcing another group to develop another > competing standard that does address that issue. It would be a sad > waste of the invested time of the people here if we didn't recognise > this necessity. > > I think the points you make above are very relevant here. > > > > Can't we do both, as we have done for Audio MTI? > > Well, the M in MTI stands for Mandatory. So mandating both would be > mandating the barriers to entry that you so clearly identified above? > > Mandating an RF video codec, and permitting any other to be negotiated > as an extension would be more like what we decided was best for audio. > Yes, I see your point and agree. > > > > > > RTCweb / WebRTC is supposed to be the next big thing, why hamper > > innovation like this? > > Indeed we should not, and I for one certainly hope consensus is > that we will not. > Seems to me that if we want to see the indie webrtc developers flourish, we need to implement a RF codec = VP8. Unless of course the MPEG LA decides to grant a RF license on 264/AVC before the WG votes on the MTI? Which does not seem likely given the time frame. That plus the fact this 264/AVC non royalty codec concept was tabled in the past and went nowhere, it seems. I would like to see us foster grassroots innovation by making this tech accessible to all developers, which essentially means zero royalty and admin overhead. > > > Stay sharp! > Ron > > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >
- [rtcweb] Summary of Video Codec contributions Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] Summary of Video Codec contributions Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] Summary of Video Codec contributions Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Summary of Video Codec contributions Erik Lagerway
- Re: [rtcweb] Summary of Video Codec contributions Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] Summary of Video Codec contributions Erik Lagerway