Re: [rtcweb] Isolating data channels (Re: Asking TLS for help with media isolation)
Mary Barnes <mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com> Mon, 07 April 2014 19:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Isolating data channels (Re: Asking TLS for help with media isolation)
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On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE) < matthew.kaufman@skype.net> wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > From: rtcweb [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat > > Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 12:22 PM > > To: rtcweb@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Isolating data channels (Re: Asking TLS for help > with > > media isolation) > > > > On 4/7/14 1:27 PM, Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE) wrote: > > > > > > From: rtcweb [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Harald > > >> Alvestrand > > >> ... > > >> (and to Matthew: At least we wouldn't have *yet* another congestion > > >> context to manage, which would be the case with a separate TCP > > connection. > > >> There are always tradeoffs.) > > > > > > If it was me (and at one time, it was) I would use a protocol that > allows for > > multiplexing and prioritization of media and data channels over the same > > secure session with shared congestion state. Over such a protocol, > opening > > another data stream for this purpose could be done immediately without > > even a round trip. > > > > > > RFC 7016 documents such an approach. > > > > I see that the title starts with "Adobe's". Sigh. > > Yes, but there's little stopping many of these ideas from becoming the > basis for an IETF-developed transport protocol that actually meets the > needs we have here. > [MB] Except, maybe, IPR: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=document_search&id=draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp [/MB] > > If you want to entertain something other than existing solutions for > media, > > why not simply run the RTP media streams over SCTP along with the data > > channels? > > Except for some critical shortcomings of SCTP (which are being fixed), > this isn't actually a terrible idea. > > Matthew Kaufman > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >
- [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isolation Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Watson Ladd
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Watson Ladd
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Watson Ladd
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Paul Kyzivat
- [rtcweb] Isolating data channels (Re: Asking TLS … Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Isolating data channels (Re: Asking … Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Isolating data channels (Re: Asking … Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE)
- Re: [rtcweb] Isolating data channels (Re: Asking … Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Isolating data channels (Re: Asking … Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Isolating data channels (Re: Asking … Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Isolating data channels (Re: Asking … Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE)
- Re: [rtcweb] Isolating data channels (Re: Asking … Michael Tuexen
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Isolating data channels (Re: Asking … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [rtcweb] Isolating data channels (Re: Asking … Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE)
- Re: [rtcweb] Isolating data channels (Re: Asking … Mary Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] Isolating data channels (Re: Asking … Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE)
- Re: [rtcweb] Isolating data channels (Re: Asking … Michael Thornburgh
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Asking TLS for help with media isola… Paul Kyzivat