Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCWeb
Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@gmx.net> Tue, 03 December 2013 13:15 UTC
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* cowwoc wrote: >I'd like to point you to http://www.netindex.com/upload/allcountries/ >for two reasons: > > 1. It states that Germany has an average upload rate of 3.13Mbps. > 2. It shows that upload speeds are increasing over time. That seems extremely unlikely to me, basic offerings like Vodafone's "DSL 6000" come with around 640 kbps upstream, Telekom's "Call & Surf Basic" comes with "up to 1 mbps", where I am right now the best DSL available has less than 384 kbps *downstream*; that does not add up to a situation where the median household has 3 mbps without extra- ordinary evidence ("average" over ones that care to test can naturally be expected to be much higher than the median over the population.) >H.261 is meant as a fallback only in the case that the market cannot >agree to upgrade to VP8 or H.264 at runtime. If a sizable portion of the >market cannot agree at runtime, what makes you believe that that same >sizable portion can agree on a MTI codec? And a final question, in case >you disagree with everything I've written so far: How do you advocate we >proceed in light of the fact that we already tried to (and failed) to >reach consensus around VP8 and H.264? If I were to believe VP8 and H.264 are not royality-free options that can be used in Free implementations of the protocol then the mandatory- to-implement codec is likely their only option to communicate with commercial implementations. If the only option is "not good enough", I might prefer the Working Group say so instead of offering a fig leaf. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjoern@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Ted Lemon
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Ted Lemon
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Dave Crocker
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Eliot Lear
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Ted Lemon
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Ted Lemon
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Michael Richardson
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Maik Merten
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Roberto Peon
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Mary Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Silvia Pfeiffer
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Max Jonas Werner
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… John Leslie
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Dave Crocker
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Sam Hartman
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Maik Merten
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Silvia Pfeiffer
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Randell Jesup