Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 (was: Congratuiations on the Cisco announcement - but we still prefer VP8)
Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> Sat, 02 November 2013 17:14 UTC
Return-Path: <emcho@sip-communicator.org>
X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F250711E8218 for <rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:14:21 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.745
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.745 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.231, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fedqvz18qjto for <rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:14:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-pb0-f51.google.com (mail-pb0-f51.google.com [209.85.160.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0B521F9D65 for <rtcweb@ietf.org>; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:14:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-pb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id xa12so2438570pbc.38 for <rtcweb@ietf.org>; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 10:14:17 -0700 (PDT)
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=eWl3YwbwZtR0+IwuLs6nYmf3v6Krkp1XcHzUamyu/Ac=; b=L02zr8VrByafNZk+NFtnKsq9C1xD3hDnMni3eje6gysWtaYmWm8DvmOuNHftM01mTi JKeYxYvQAxmjhrPgD6TDIydlD2biL8uRUPFAs1rlHwdSXspJwj/vusBnhfHHkr0oTYCx n2dZm5fWLASgcWttQhJyDsTSTrry8hB8AJh2Jqtp/ZrafLMFBsZ3grGVg8Q9IqZuEoLG Qq3UOFX4RmGhf2vrFZeP5Yv4VgonyMj4pobqz9d3K5zcpAy9i4ZmoCbFcR25qteBAydB jN8YmArJPuRwuE6RN7xqq1NJQW3uP48cBCEo0XNPukY7vy0otYLZnAe0sHpZhgq97Pdd Vy8g==
X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkKPURQ63ORFsvqRruznXnzYZaVsqupjm2kVQO7si1KOM4cF9wZp5inwxo1+Hfu83fVPxDH
X-Received: by 10.68.169.161 with SMTP id af1mr9059330pbc.22.1383412457370; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 10:14:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-pa0-x234.google.com (mail-pa0-x234.google.com [2607:f8b0:400e:c03::234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id oj6sm20921146pab.9.2013.11.02.10.14.16 for <rtcweb@ietf.org> (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 02 Nov 2013 10:14:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-pa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id bj1so5261706pad.25 for <rtcweb@ietf.org>; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 10:14:16 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.66.142.107 with SMTP id rv11mr9137199pab.17.1383412456235; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 10:14:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.66.191.163 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:14:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.66.191.163 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:14:15 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <C21C6AC2-29F8-4DFF-BB48-5E3D625DCD65@phonefromhere.com>
References: <CAOqqYVEER_HprgauRawO+_gGdLdMY1MUY8jrMhhi3yVDL31bFg@mail.gmail.com> <52740478.6030109@nostrum.com> <CAOJ7v-2+_4QZwc8vEtdwVDWSP-d-z+ggB0u+VM6WnA=f-k4-XA@mail.gmail.com> <BLU404-EAS261C783EDA4575EE1A7E53593F40@phx.gbl> <52750E3C.9060206@bbs.darktech.org> <CABkgnnVR9=oWVzRaRuD701tvZCtp+SO1n6c65hJELLVfB8QcOA@mail.gmail.com> <C21C6AC2-29F8-4DFF-BB48-5E3D625DCD65@phonefromhere.com>
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 18:14:15 +0100
Message-ID: <CAPvvaaK-bKt-zDEq2qibRrm51VbRGAV=95JShKFdCpJszw5Tww@mail.gmail.com>
From: Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org>
To: tim panton <tim@phonefromhere.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11331e46083d6504ea34d0b6"
Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 (was: Congratuiations on the Cisco announcement - but we still prefer VP8)
X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list <rtcweb.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/rtcweb>, <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb>
List-Post: <mailto:rtcweb@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb>, <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 17:14:22 -0000
Same questions for OS X and Windows actually. Last time we checked (which was also some time ago) there was no way to get the OS to *encode* H.264 for you. --sent from my mobile On 2 Nov 2013 17:57, "tim panton" <tim@phonefromhere.com> wrote: > > On 2 Nov 2013, at 15:02, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 2 November 2013 07:37, cowwoc <cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org> wrote: > >> I can't think of a single platform that supports real-time H.264 > >> encoding/decoding natively today. > > > > That's a very strange way to put the question. > > > > Let me put another spin on it, and please excuse the example... > > > > Skype runs on more platforms than you might think. Those platforms > > can all support H.264 to the extent that Skype requires. > > Martin, can I ask you to talk with your Skype engineering team and check > up on > the exact way that works on iOS. Last time I looked, it seemed you > couldn’t use the > Apple supplied (hardware accelerated) h264 library for realtime > encode/decode and > it wasn’t at all clear to me that the hardware encoder licence covered any > soft implementation of h264 we > added. > > I’d like to caveat that: > 1) it was a while ago. 2) I’m not a lawyer. 3) it was a thought > experiment. > So it would be interesting to get a current view from the trenches. > > T. > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announcemen… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Timothy B. Terriberry
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Doug Geistkemper
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Lorenzo Miniero
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Alexandre GOUAILLARD
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Silvia Pfeiffer
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Simon Pietro Romano
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Alessandro Amirante
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Emil Ivov
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Emil Ivov
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Karl Stahl
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Eric Rescorla
- [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 (was: Congra… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 (was: Co… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 (was: Co… Jeremy Laurenson (jlaurens)
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 (was: Co… tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 (was: Co… Jeremy Laurenson (jlaurens)
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 (was: Co… Emil Ivov
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 (was: Co… Bossiel thioriguel
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Gili
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Bossiel
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Bossiel
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 (was: Co… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Gili
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Gili
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Gili
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Bossiel
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Gili
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 (was: Co… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 (was: Co… Emil Ivov
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 (was: Co… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 (was: Co… Jeremy Laurenson (jlaurens)
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Kaiduan Xie
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 (was: Co… tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 (was: Co… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- [rtcweb] API standardization on phones? (Re: Plat… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] API standardization on phones? (Re: … DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Erik Lagerway
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Emil Ivov
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Ralph Giles
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Kristian Kielhofner
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Dave Taht
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Gustavo Garcia
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Markus.Isomaki
- Re: [rtcweb] Platforms that support H264 Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Gregory Maxwell
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Bo Burman
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Monty Montgomery
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Krasimir Kolarov
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Krasimir Kolarov
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announc… David Singer