Re: [rtcweb] Who is committed to supporting MTI? (was Re: MTI video codec, charter, RFC 3929)

cowwoc <cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org> Sat, 09 November 2013 20:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Who is committed to supporting MTI? (was Re: MTI video codec, charter, RFC 3929)
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     ... and many more non-browser native applications.

Gili

On 09/11/2013 2:36 PM, Peter Thatcher wrote:
> While I appreciate the effort to gather additional information, I am 
> beginning to notice a trend that some of the big players here are 
> forgetting about the smaller players.  In particular, there aren't 
> just 4 browsers in the world, and acting like there are only 4 
> browsers in the world does not look good from a "big players vs. small 
> players" perspective.  For example, can we really tell the world that 
> our WG has concluded "lots of smaller players can't ship codec X, but 
> we're going to mandate it anyway because the 4 big players are willing 
> to ship it" (which they haven't, but assuming they did)?
>
> May I remind you that Firefox, the very browser you represent, until 
> very recently, was on the "small player" side of the fence in the 
> codec debate and only until very recently (apparently) switched sides? 
>  Perhaps you could still engender in yourself some lingering empathy 
> for those other small players that cannot necessarily comply with the 
> mandate of certain codecs that you are so willingly eager to press 
> upon them.
>
> You may abandon their cause, you may disregard their complaints, and 
> you may disparage their positions, but at least do not cease to 
> acknowledge their existence and forget that you were once one them. 
>  There are more browsers than 4!
>
>
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> On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com 
> <mailto:adam@nostrum.com>> wrote:
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>     On 11/8/13 21:59, Ron wrote:
>
>         [T]he chairs already noted at the meeting that these browser
>         vendors had all indicated they would support whatever MTI decision
>         the working group made.
>
>
>     I agree with you that one of the chairs indicated that he had
>     personally received off-the-record, back-channel indications to
>     this effect. The problem is that this assertion conflicts with
>     off-the-record, back-channel indications that I have myself received.
>
>     Perhaps someone from each of Google, Microsoft, and Apple could
>     stand up and confirm the chair's claim. I'll note that Mozilla is
>     already on the record in this regard.
>
>     /a
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