Re: [rtcweb] [MMUSIC] [clue] [Ice] [art] ICE, ICE-bis, and Cluster 238

Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> Sat, 13 October 2018 23:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] [MMUSIC] [clue] [Ice] [art] ICE, ICE-bis, and Cluster 238
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[removing DLs again]

We are taking a few other outstanding issues as part of this rev
(potentially including https://github.com/rtcweb-wg/jsep/issues/843 which
you noted), so I think a new LC is warranted.

Aiming for a new doc version on Monday.

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 1:50 PM Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> wrote:

> We are taking a few other outstanding issues as part of this rev
> (potentially including https://github.com/rtcweb-wg/jsep/issues/843 which
> you noted), so I think a new LC is warranted.
>
> Aiming for a new doc version on Monday.
>
> On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 2:52 AM Christer Holmberg <
> christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> Personally I don't think updating of references and examples require a
>> new IETF last call.
>>
>>
>> Do people foresee any changes to the technical JSEP procedures due to the
>> reference update?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Christer
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* clue <clue-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Sergio Garcia Murillo <
>> sergio.garcia.murillo@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 13, 2018 12:22 PM
>> *To:* Adam Roach
>> *Cc:* mmusic@ietf.org; art@ietf.org; Heather Flanagan (RFC Series
>> Editor); clue@ietf.org; pthatcher=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org;
>> ice@ietf.org; RTCWeb IETF; Justin Uberti
>> *Subject:* Re: [clue] [rtcweb] [MMUSIC] [Ice] [art] ICE, ICE-bis, and
>> Cluster 238
>>
>> p0090
>>
>> El lun., 1 oct. 2018 23:11, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com
>> <adam@nostrum..com>> escribió:
>>
>> On 9/27/18 6:20 PM, Justin Uberti wrote:
>> > I agree with Peter. Chrome's implementation is already closer to 8445
>> > than 5245, so I don't see any issues associated with snapping this
>> > cluster to 8445 (aside from the work involved).
>> >
>> > On that topic, note that JSEP will need a few more changes than just
>> > the addition of the 8445 reference and note; the examples will have to
>> > be updated, as will the logic regarding generation of offers and
>> > answers and their parsing (to deal with the new ice-option). These
>> > changes will be modest but probably will need to be done by the authors.
>>
>>
>> If I read what you're saying correctly, it sounds like you're talking
>> about changes that are significant enough that we'll have to put JSEP
>> through IETF last call and through the IESG again. That being the case,
>> and the rest of the cluster being so close to done, I'd really prefer to
>> see this done very soon, if such changes are required. When do you
>> believe such an update could be available?
>>
>> I've copied the RFC Series Editor on this note for her awareness.
>>
>> /a
>>
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