Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announcement - but we still prefer VP8

Gustavo Garcia <> Wed, 06 November 2013 00:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Congratuiations on the Cisco announcement - but we still prefer VP8
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H.264 licensing as introduced by Cisco is great because it opens the door
to truly present H.264 as a viable alternative codec for broad
implementation in WebRTC endpoints, but Cisco’s proposal as it stands is
not enough to warrant H.264 being adopted as an MTI for WebRTC.

>From TokBox’s point of view, WebRTC needs to be able to solve two needs if
true adoption is intended:  1) supporting interoperability with legacy
end-points and 2) enabling novel and innovative real-world use-cases on a
broad range of software-powered end-points (mobile included, not just

The option as proposed with H.264 is not really viable in mobile native
applications (specifically iOS devices as the situation stands today),
whether both endpoints are mobile native or one is browser-based. At
TokBox, we are already seeing a wide range of very interesting applications
being built on top of WebRTC using native mobile apps as one of the
endpoints, and the standard must do the right thing by not preventing these
scenarios from playing out.

As far as MTI codecs go, we still believe VP8 is the right option and
believe H.264 should be embraced as an optional alternative video codec.The
purpose of the WebRTC is not to create a browser compatible with existing
solutions (many of which are closed systems) but rather to bring the best
possible experience to application developers, extending the capabilities
of the web for real-time communication. (More of our views here:

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Harald Alvestrand <> wrote:

> We congratulate Cisco on their intention to make an open source H.264
> codec available and usable by the community. We look forward to seeing the
> result of this effort.
> Google still believes that VP8 - a freely available, fully open,
> high-quality video codec that you can download, compile for your platform,
> include in your binary, distribute and put into production today - is the
> best choice of a Mandatory to Implement video codec for the WebRTC effort.
> Harald (sending this from my Google address)
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