Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoints [was RE: Use Case draft]

"Ravindran, Parthasarathi" <pravindran@sonusnet.com> Thu, 03 May 2012 05:23 UTC

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From: "Ravindran, Parthasarathi" <pravindran@sonusnet.com>
To: "Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)" <lists@infosecurity.ch>, "rtcweb@ietf.org" <rtcweb@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoints [was RE: Use Case draft]
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Fabio,

Could you please explain how to differentiate through protocol means that the peer is site (gateway) or endpoint (webbrowser).

Thanks
Partha 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>Of Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
>Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:24 AM
>To: rtcweb@ietf.org
>Subject: Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoints [was RE:
>Use Case draft]
>
>On 5/2/12 7:50 PM, Dan Wing wrote:
>http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-rtcweb-3.pdf
>> However, when I presented slide 7, there were objections at the
>> microphone that this model 'is broken'.  I would like to understand
>> the objections so we can reach consensus on how interworking from
>> WEBRTC to non-WEBRTC is expected to occur.
>
>IMHO it would be much easier, as described in tons of previous email, to
>use different Key Management for different requirements:
>
>- SDES + SRTP for end-to-site (peer to gateway)
>- DTLS-SRTP for end-to-end (peer to peer)
>
>It would be a simpler approach for:
>
>- Security (the user know the security level)
>- Interoperability (Use standard protocols for the need to interoperate)
>
>That way the "simpler, legacy, standard" technology would be used for
>all voip "server applications" while the new burning (yet not used by
>anyone) DTLS-SRTP will be used for peer-to-peer calls.
>
>Please DO NOT reinvent the wheel for what's already existing and
>deployed.
>
>Doing so, it's like going against the natural human behavior, it would
>just represent a failure.
>
>Fabio
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