[rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on the Internet - which is more realistic?
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Subject: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on the Internet - which is more realistic?
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I quote Karl's piece below, because I want other's opinion of whether it's a realistic picture. My impression is that it is not - in particular that: - Lots of interactive traffic goes over the Internet today without layer 2 separation - All UDP endpoints that use the open Internet have some form of backoff on congestion - using delay, packet drop or (most likely) both to detect congestion I'm writing the transport document based on those assumptions - that we should specify something that will work as well as it can over an Internet that does not care, and try to allow for better things to come along later. Am I wrong to write it like this? Harald ------------------------------------ [Karl] I wrote this sometime before, regarding how QoS over the internet works in general - may be useful for understanding For better understanding of these QoS/QoE problems, and methods for improving (not specifically discussing the policies of sharing real-time traffic space), I would like to explain: Over an IP pipe only used for real-traffic (no TCP data traffic), it is sufficient that the pipe is wide enough for good QoS. That is often used and implemented by separating IP pipes at a lower level using e.g. Ethernet VLAN, MPLS, Ethernet over ATM (std for ADSL modems). TURN servers can enforce real-traffic into such pipes and QoS is achieved. Let’s call this Level 2 QoS (Network level) Over an IP pipe shared between quality requiring real-time traffic and less demanding data or streaming (usually TCP) traffic, we have the sharing between these two traffic classes to consider. The main method (and the mechanism making today’s real-time QoE as good as it often is) is that TCP endpoints back-off and share their bandwidth usage. Real-time traffic using UDP transport do not back-off, the endpoints using UDP occupy the bandwidth needed. When an IP pipe gets filled, it is all endpoint’s TCP bandwidth usage that is back-off and shared between them, leaving room for the UDP traffic. This is mechanism we experience everyday over the Internet, using our “Surf IP pipes”. Let’s call this Level 4 QoS (Transport level) However, this Level 4 QoS is based on that at congestion times (which happen every time we click – setting up a TCP flow and transferring some amount of data as quick as possible) the router handling the most narrow part of the pipe (the congestion point) drop packets. It is this packet dropping that (i) signals to TCP endpoints to reduce their bandwidth (via TCP’s error correction/retransmission mechanism) and (ii) destroys the QoE of real-time traffic. (Both TCP and UDP packets are dropped in this process that is triggered by flow intensive TCP traffic.) We need (i) but don’t want (ii) and to improve on this we can e.g. use diffserve, DSCP bits in IP packets to instruct routers to always forward the real-time traffic before any unmarked TCP traffic (which usually fills most of the pipe). Then QoS is then achieved for real-time traffic. This is Level 3 QoS (IP level). The method used is “traffic shaping”: backing off data traffic, leaving real-time traffic free passage without packet loss.
- [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on the In… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Dave Taht
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… John Leslie
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Karl Stahl
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Karl Stahl
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Michael Welzl
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Karl Stahl
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Michael Welzl
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Dave Taht
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Michael Welzl
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Pictures of congestion control on th… Roman Shpount