Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media security
Basil Mohamed Gohar <abu_hurayrah@hidayahonline.org> Wed, 28 March 2012 18:01 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media security
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On 03/28/2012 01:56 PM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: > 2012/3/28 Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>: >> As I have mentioned before on this list I am strongly against making SRTP >> protection for RTP a requirement. I think this is an unnecessary requirement >> that serves little real purpose except feeding into some marketing message >> that most of the WebRTC users would not care about. Unless use of identity >> is also a requirement, requiring SRTP will provide security only in a very >> narrow sense of the word. At the same time I do believe that extra standard >> requirements will stifle innovation and will complicate new service or >> application creation. > SRTP (with SDES so without identity authentication) is still much > better than plain RTP, right? If I'm in an airport connected to an > open WiFi network, but I use HTTPS/WSS for signaling from my WebRTC > browser, then I can be sure that no one in the airport can intercept > my media streams (using SRTP-SDES). > > Of course this does not solve the fact that there could be some MiM > attacker somewhere in the signaling path, but NOT in the airport! What > is sure is that if I was using plain RTP then everyone in the open > WiFi network could intercept my media streams. > > IMHO it's really clear that SRTP (even with SDES) is MUCH better than > plain RTP. And so far I have not heard any advantage fof allowing > plain RTP other than "it allows interoperability with my 5 years ago > SIP device". > > So +1 for the voted consensus. > > Regards. This captures the sentiment of what I was trying to convey. So, +1 to this explanation.
- [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media security Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Igor Faynberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Timothy B. Terriberry
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… jesse
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Roman Shpount
- [rtcweb] Which servers to trust (Re: Consensus ca… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Which servers to trust (Re: Consensu… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Which servers to trust (Re: Consensu… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Which servers to trust (Re: Consensu… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Which servers to trust (Re: Consensu… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus call regarding media secur… Eric Rescorla