Re: [rtcweb] Video codecs: Clear positions....

Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> Tue, 09 December 2014 19:20 UTC

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On 12/9/14 13:08, Bernard Aboba wrote:
> [BA] I agree that the vast majority of people answering probably 
> believe that the requirements don't apply to the non-browser category, 
> but actually the proposal is that dual MTI does apply to non-browsers, 
> right? It's just the WebRTC-compatible endpoints that are exempt.  So 
> it's actually worse than "those other people should do it" - it's 
> really "I intend to ignore the requirements myself and pretend that 
> they don't apply to me while holding other people to  them".

So, even though no one has stood up and said as much, you're 
hypothesizing that some vast majority of people who disagree with you 
must be doing so only because they're bad actors? I think you need more 
evidence than what amounts to a conspiracy theory if you're going to 
level that kind of accusation.

/a