Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCWeb
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Thu, 28 November 2013 16:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCWeb
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On 11/28/2013 7:34 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > if the working group has consensus to vote, it's probably because > interested parties have some reason to believe the vote will go > their way. ... > So if the working group is willing to agree to a vote, and unwilling > to agree to a coin toss, that says something _very important_ about > the status of consensus in the working group. No it doesn't. Or at least, not what you indicate, above, that it says. The thinking you describe is possible, of course, but it's not guaranteed. People's motives and expectations and logic can vary quite a bit in a situation like this. As merely one obvious example, people can simply be tired of the impasse and eagerly seek progress and be willing to settle on any mechanism they think will fairly break it -- even if it works against the outcome they prefer. Let's not confuse 'possible' with 'certain'. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Ted Lemon
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Ted Lemon
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Dave Crocker
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Eliot Lear
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Ted Lemon
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Ted Lemon
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Michael Richardson
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Maik Merten
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Roberto Peon
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Mary Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Silvia Pfeiffer
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Max Jonas Werner
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… John Leslie
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Dave Crocker
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Sam Hartman
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Maik Merten
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Silvia Pfeiffer
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Randell Jesup