Re: [rtcweb] External Review Team

David Singer <singer@apple.com> Sun, 10 November 2013 08:49 UTC

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On Nov 10, 2013, at 15:03 , Ron <ron@debian.org> wrote:

> 
> Hi David,
> 
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 01:37:01PM +0800, David Singer wrote:
>> I am having a hard time seeing how the IETF could, with a straight face,
>> mandate implementation of something for which they have a formal "no license"
>> declaration.  In other bodies I know of, this would be impossible: the
>> technical committee would be required to re-consider the specification and
>> take appropriate action.
> 
> Could you please clarify what you're referring to here?

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2035/

> It's not clear to me if you are talking about the fact that many people
> here have stated it will be impossible for them to licence H.264 according
> to its published and uncontested terms - or if you're professing to have
> some unique knowledge of the unsubstantiated claims that some H.264 IPR
> also somehow applies to VP8.

I am unaware of any refusal to license that applies to H.264.

> The history of the IETF is full of 'formal' but utterly bogus declarations.

Oh, is there an analysis?

> It's just unfortunate that there is still no requirement or obligation to
> also rescind them, even in the face of solid proof of inapplicability.
> 
> It would be good if you could distinguish those from undisputed facts, as
> all working groups generally need to do.
> 
> If you know something that we don't, perhaps a declaration of that is in
> order here.


No, I think I am working off the same information.

David Singer
Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.