[rtcweb] Gateway need and usecase [was RE: Review request for RTCWeb standard signaling protocol]

"Ravindran Parthasarathi" <pravindran@sonusnet.com> Wed, 19 October 2011 03:32 UTC

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From: Ravindran Parthasarathi <pravindran@sonusnet.com>
To: Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>
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Inaki/Saul,

It is not that I'm interested in RTCWeb gateway but it is the best known solution currently. Please look into my earlier mail thread (http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/current/msg01058.html) for asking not to have gateways and the issues involved in developing gateways. But in case two protocols like SIP, websocket are started using for the signaling within the same session, the interop is possible only with gateways or tunneling wherein I prefer gateway.  

I agree that the primary focus of this WG is to browser-to-browser without federation in mind. But the power of collaboration using RTCWeb will be realized in case federation protocol are used. For example, search for the keyword in Google from the Android browser, go to the website, click in the website leads to the call in the call center of the website company without involving any PSTN network. Here, website of the company acts as a service provider for the company and reduce the PSTN/SIP trunk cost drastically.

Thanks
Partha


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Iñaki Baz Castillo [mailto:ibc@aliax.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:19 PM
>To: Ravindran Parthasarathi
>Cc: Saúl Ibarra Corretgé; rtcweb@ietf.org
>Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard signaling
>protocol
>
>2011/10/18 Ravindran Parthasarathi <pravindran@sonusnet.com>:
>> Saul,
>>
>> One minor correction in your mail: I have mentioned "SIP over
>websocket" is an overkill and not SIP.
>
>Ravindran, please forget "SIP over WebSocket". I've never proposed it
>to be a default RTCweb signaling protocol, not at all, so if you don't
>like it just don't use it.
>
>BTW what I understand given your insistent proposal is that you need
>the RTCweb signaling protocol (messages in-the-wire) to be an IETF
>standard so you get a market for building and selling gateway boxes
>between such "IETF-RTCweb-Protocol" and other IETF standard protocols
>(as SIP). It's clear that you like gateways and you want gateways.
>
>
>Said that I apologize to this WG for some of my mails yesterday. It
>won't happen again.
>
>
>--
>Iñaki Baz Castillo
><ibc@aliax.net>