Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoints [was RE: Use Case draft]
Marshall Eubanks <marshall.eubanks@gmail.com> Wed, 02 May 2012 18:19 UTC
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From: Marshall Eubanks <marshall.eubanks@gmail.com>
To: Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoints [was RE: Use Case draft]
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On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote: > 2012/5/2 Dan Wing <dwing@cisco.com>: >> For other decisions, such as if we disallow un-encrypted RTP by >> WEBRTC endpoints, we create a requirement that some device does >> the interworking between WEBRTC endpoints (which do only SRTP) >> and non-WEBRTC endpoints (which do RTP). That means, for that >> interworking, we would adopt the interworking model on slide 7 >> that I presented at IETF83, >> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-WEBRTC-3.pdf > > Hi, the link is broken (404). Could you please point to a working one? > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-rtcweb-3.pdf > However, when I presented slide 7, there were objections at the microphone that this model 'is broken'. I would like to understand the objections so we can reach consensus on how interworking from WEBRTC to non-WEBRTC is expected to occur. My objection is that the proposed system will require middleware to interoperate with the vast number of videoconferencing sessions out there, most of which use RTP. From the standpoint of a video service provider, buying hardware to support video to laptops is likely to lead to requests that participants download some other software which interoperates natively. This is an existing business with a fairly large scale and installed base. Not operating the way that they do is not likely to go over well. Regards Marshall > Thanks a lot. > > -- > Iñaki Baz Castillo > <ibc@aliax.net> > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Timothy B. Terriberry
- [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft (privacy) Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft (privacy) Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft (privacy) Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Igor Faynberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stephan Wenger
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Cavigioli, Chris
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Igor Faynberg
- [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoints [… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Lorenzo Miniero
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Mary Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal (mperumal)
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Xavier Marjou
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Harald Alvestrand
- [rtcweb] Consent freshness and message-integrity … Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Consent freshness and message-integr… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Consent freshness and message-integr… Harald Alvestrand